Soc. The disgrace begins when a man writes not well, but badly.
Soc. And what is well and what is badly—need we ask Lysias, or any other poet or orator, who ever wrote or will write either a political or any other work, in metre or out of metre, poet or prose writer, to teach us this?
As paraphrased in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert Pirsig:
And what is good, Phaedrus , and what is not good—need we ask anyone to tell us these things?